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I've been going through a lot of system P/C dat files in DAT-o-MATIC and comparing to existing data online regarding releases and regions. I've compiled a list of differences between No-Intro and the major sites for each system. I tried to find multiple sources before bringing any of these up so if you see something I missed, please let me know.

Atari 2600 (Compared to Atarimania):
Acid Drop (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Action Force (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Apples and Dolls (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Brazil release]
Asterix - Needs to be added [Missing]
Astrowar (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Base Attack (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Bogey Blaster - Needs to be added [Missing]
Bobby is Going Home (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Brazil/Europe release, Pirate in US]
Burning Desire - Needs to be added [Missing, double ended cart with Bachelorette Party]
Cat Trax (USA) - Needs Proto flag added [Proto]
Challenge (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Canada release]
Cosmic Corridor - Needs to be added [Missing]
Cruise Missile - Needs to be added [Missing]
Dancing Plate (USA) - Brazil/Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Defender II - Needs to be added [Missing]
Dukes of Hazzard (USA) - Needs Proto flag added [Proto]
Exocet - Needs to be added [Missing]
Extra Terrestrials (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Canada release]
Farmyard Fun (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Fatal Run (USA) - Needs Proto flag added [Proto]
Fire Spinner (USA) - Needs to be renamed to Spinning Fireball and Proto flag added [Proto, actual name is Spinning Fireball]
Frisco (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Gigolo - Needs to be added [Missing, double ended cart with Bachelor Party]
Go Go Home Monster (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Harbor Escape - Needs to be added [Missing]
Hole Hunter (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
I.Q. 180 (USA) - Needs to be removed [Duplicate of IQ 180]
IQ 180 (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Klax (USA) - Needs Proto flag added [Proto]
Knight on the Town - Needs to be added [Missing, double ended cart with Jungle Fever]
Lilly Adventure (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
MegaBoy (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Brazil release]
Mind Maze (USA) - Needs Proto flag added [Proto]
Mission 3,000 A.D. (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release, Pirate in US]
Motocross (USA) - Brazil/Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Mr. Postman (USA) - Brazil/Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Nuts (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Germany release]
Pepsi Invaders - Needs to be added [Missing]
Phantom UFO (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Pharaoh's Curse (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Germany release]
Philly Flasher - Needs to be added [Missing]
Racing Car (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Radar (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Canada release]
Raumpatrouille (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Germany release]
Rubik's Cube - Needs to be added [Missing]
Save our Ship (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Germany release]
Sea Battle (USA) - Needs Proto flag added [Proto]
Sea Monster (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Shark Attack - Needs to be added [Missing]
Ski Run (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Space Canyon - Needs to be added [Missing]
Space Tunnel (USA) - Brazil/Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Spiderdroid - Needs to be added [Missing]
Spider Maze (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Canada release]
Squirrel (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Brazil release]
Stone Age (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Brazil release]
Sweat! The Decathlon Game (USA) - Needs Proto flag added [Proto]
Swordfight (USA) - Needs Proto flag added [Proto]
Tank Brigade - Needs to be added [Missing]
Task Force - Needs to be added [Missing]
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The - Needs to be added [Missing]
Time Warp (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Canada release]
Vault Assault (USA) (Unl) - Needs to be removed [Homebrew]
World End (USA) - Brazil/Needs USA region removed [Europe release]
Zoo Fun (USA) - Needs USA region removed [Europe release]

Atari 5200 (Compared to AtariAge):
Castle Blast (USA) (Unl) - Needs to be removed [Homebrew]
Castle Crisis (USA) (Unl) - Needs to be removed [Homebrew]
Koffi - Yellow Kopter (USA) (Unl) - Needs to be removed [Homebrew]
Realsports Basketball (USA) - Needs the Proto flag added [Never commercially released]

Atari Jaguar (Compared to AtariAge):
BattleSphere Gold (World) - Needs to be removed [Homebrew]
Breakout 2000 - Needs to be added [Missing]
Hyper Force (World) - Needs to be removed [Released by Songbird Productions, a Homebrew and Repro company]
Protector - Special Edition (World) - Needs to be removed [Released by Songbird Productions, a Homebrew and Repro company]
Skyhammer (World) - Needs to be removed [Released by Songbird Productions, a Homebrew and Repro company]
Soccer Kid (World) - Needs to be removed [Released by Songbird Productions, a Homebrew and Repro company]
Space War 2000 (World) - Needs to be removed [Reproduction of a Proto]
Total Carnage (World) - Needs to be removed [Released by Songbird Productions, a Homebrew and Repro company]

Atari Lynx (Compared to AtariAge):
Lexis - Needs to be removed [Released by Songbird Productions, a Homebrew and Repro company]

Game Boy:
NBA Jam (USA, Europe) - *FIXED*

Game Boy Advance (Compared to NintendoAge):
GBA Personal Organizer (USA) (Unl) - Needs USA region changed to EUR [Released only in Europe]
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es,It,Nl,Da) - Needs USA region added [Released in Europe and USA]

Game Boy Color:
4 in 1 + 8 in 1 (World) - Needs USA region removed [Not released in the USA]
Jurassic Boy 2 (World) - Needs USA region removed [Not released in the USA]

Game Gear (Compared to Sega Retro):
Alien Syndrome (USA, Europe) - Needs USA region changed to JPN [Released in Japan and Europe]
Cheese Cat-Astrophe Starring Speedy Gonzales (Europe) - Needs USA region added [Released in Europe and USA]
CJ Elephant Fugitive (Europe) - Needs USA region added [Released in Europe and USA]
Cosmic Spacehead (Europe) - Needs USA region added [Released in Europe and USA]
Fantastic Dizzy (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es,It) - Needs USA region added [Released in Europe and USA]
Mick & Mack as the Global Gladiators (USA, Europe) - Needs USA region removed [Released only in Europe]
Micro Machines (Europe) - Needs USA region added [Released in Europe and USA]
Pengo (USA, Europe) - Needs USA region changed to JPN [Released in Japan and Europe]
WWF Wrestlemania - Steel Cage Challenge (Europe) - Needs USA region added [Released in Europe and USA]

Genesis/Mega Drive (Compared to Sega Retro):
Bass Masters Classic (USA) - *FIXED*
Captain Planet and the Planeteers (USA) - Needs USA region changed to BRA [Released in Brazil instead of USA]
Gunfight 3 in 1 (World) (Unl) - Needs USA region removed and Pirate flag added [Chinese Pirate not released in USA]
John Madden Football '93 (USA, Europe) - *FIXED*
Mega Games I (Europe) - Needs to be added again as Triple Score with USA region [US version of Mega Games I, has boxart where World Cup Italia '90 is replaced with World Championship Soccer. The rom is the exact same as the Europe release]
Beggar Prince, Legend of Wukong, Oh Mummy Genesis, Pier Solar and the Great Architects, Star Odyssey - Needs to be removed [Either Repro's with English translations or Homebrews]

NES (Compared to NintendoAge):
Cheetahmen II (USA) (Unl) - Needs Proto flag added [Only 6 of 10 levels were made and it was never officially released or commercially available from the manufacturer]
Hot Slots (Asia) (Unl) - Needs USA region added [Released in USA and ASI]
Peek-A-Boo (Asia) (Unl) - Needs USA region added [Released in USA and ASI]

NGPC:
Faseleil! (Europe) - Needs USA region added [Released in USA via blister pack bundled with the handheld when SNK was liquidating their stock]
Last Blade, The - Beyond the Destiny (Europe) - Needs USA region added [Released in USA via blister pack bundled with the handheld when SNK was liquidating their stock]
Neo Baccarat - Real Casino Series (World) - Needs USA region removed [Not released in USA]
Picture Puzzle (USA, Europe) - Needs USA region removed [Not released in USA]
Puzzle Link (Europe) - Needs USA region added [Released in USA via blister pack bundled with the handheld when SNK was liquidating their stock]

SNES:
Donkey Kong Country - Competition Cartridge (USA) - Needs to be separated from its parent Donkey Kong Country [5 minute timed version of Donkey Kong Country used in the PowerFest 94 competition]
International Superstar Soccer (USA) - Needs USA region changed to BRA (or Mexico) [No proof this was released in USA and most sites say it was released in Central America or Mexico instead, like Super Copa]
International Superstar Soccer Deluxe (USA) - Needs USA region changed to BRA (or Mexico) [No proof this was released in USA and most sites say it was released in Central America or Mexico instead, like Super Copa]
Super Star Fox Weekend (USA) - Needs to be separated from its parent Star Fox [4 minute timed version of Star Fox and has an exclusive bonus level that the original is missing. It was also commercially available through Nintendo Power magazine]
King of Fighters 2000 (Brazil) (Unl) (Pirate) - Needs USA region changed to BRA or removed [Pirate, Brazil only release]
Picachu, Pokemon Stadium, Soul Blade, Street Fighter EX, Tekken 2, X-Men vs. Street Fighter - Needs to be removed [Pirates]

Vectrex:
Mr. Boston Clean Sweep (Europe) - Needs EUR region changed to USA [Released in USA]

The other thing I was going to ask about is what differentiates between a P/C and a different game. The below games are the ones I question:
[GBA] Battlebots - Design & Destroy - Re-release of Battlebots - Beyond the BattleBox, but with a few bug fixes. It was marketed as the "sequel" to the original.
[NES] Bubble Bath Babes - Adult version of Mermaids of Atlantis - The Riddle of the Magic Bubble released by Panesian.
[NES] Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! - Original release of Punch Out!! before they decided to drop his character after he lost to James "Buster" Douglas.
[NES] Stadium Events - Original release of World Class Track Meet before Nintendo owned the rights to the Family Fun Fitness mat.
[SNES] Cannondale Cup - Release of Exertainment Mountain Bike Rally that doesn't require the Exertainment system.
[Vectrex] Mine Storm - Original release of Mine Storm II before the level 13 bug was fixed.

Again, these are the differences I found when comparing to the major websites for each system. I could be out of line with how No-Intro sees things so please let me know if some of these are this way on purpose.


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PostPosted: 13 Sep 2017 20:03 
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Thanks for this research (and your other suggestions on the DOM). :3 A lot of good stuff here.


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PostPosted: 13 Sep 2017 21:16 
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C. V. Reynolds wrote:
Thanks for this research (and your other suggestions on the DOM). :3 A lot of good stuff here.


Thanks. I added Atari 5200 and Jaguar to the first post as well. Will go through Game Gear when I can find the time.


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nicholaus wrote:
SNES:
Donkey Kong Country - Competition Cartridge (USA) - This is listed as a clone of Donkey Kong Country. This is a 5 minute timed version of Donkey Kong Country used in the PowerFest 94 competition. The other PowerFest 94 games are listed so I think this one should be as well.

There really is only one Powerfest '94 game (well, two variations. But one has been only privately dumped). For whatever reason, the dumper on PF94 dumped each of the ROMs on the cart as a separate game but they should run together, much like the Nintendo World Championships games.
I'm not certain on this since I didn't participate but I thought DKC was a separate contest. Possibly one run by Blockbuster? (which would explain why they needed a couple thousand copies, one for each store)


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PostPosted: 15 Sep 2017 03:37 
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KingMike wrote:
nicholaus wrote:
SNES:
Donkey Kong Country - Competition Cartridge (USA) - This is listed as a clone of Donkey Kong Country. This is a 5 minute timed version of Donkey Kong Country used in the PowerFest 94 competition. The other PowerFest 94 games are listed so I think this one should be as well.

There really is only one Powerfest '94 game (well, two variations. But one has been only privately dumped). For whatever reason, the dumper on PF94 dumped each of the ROMs on the cart as a separate game but they should run together, much like the Nintendo World Championships games.
I'm not certain on this since I didn't participate but I thought DKC was a separate contest. Possibly one run by Blockbuster? (which would explain why they needed a couple thousand copies, one for each store)


I believe it was used in both Powerfest 94 and Blockbuster II, but could be wrong. Campus Challenge 92 has also been dumped into separate roms like Powerfest, but I think it was dumped from a repro cart and not the original source so I'm not sure how No-Intro would like to handle it.

I think it's dumped into multiple roms because each game is on it's own EPROM.


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PostPosted: 16 Sep 2017 11:18 
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What is the purpose of this thread? Do you want us to remove the listed games?

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Game Boy Color:
4 in 1 + 8 in 1 (World) - There's 5 of these. I haven't seen anything about these seeing a release in the US.
Jurassic Boy 2 (World) - I haven't seen anything about this seeing a release in the US.


What exactly is your point about these? Are you implying the region shouldn't be "World", because these games haven't seen a US release? The ROMs are the same for the two territories the games were released in, Taiwan and Europe, and hence are "World" releases.
There are many Game Boy games that are marked World but were not released in one or two territories. Off the top of my head, Alleyway, which did not see a China release.


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PostPosted: 16 Sep 2017 17:46 
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Tauwasser wrote:
What is the purpose of this thread? Do you want us to remove the listed games?

Quote:
Game Boy Color:
4 in 1 + 8 in 1 (World) - There's 5 of these. I haven't seen anything about these seeing a release in the US.
Jurassic Boy 2 (World) - I haven't seen anything about this seeing a release in the US.


What exactly is your point about these? Are you implying the region shouldn't be "World", because these games haven't seen a US release? The ROMs are the same for the two territories the games were released in, Taiwan and Europe, and hence are "World" releases.
There are many Game Boy games that are marked World but were not released in one or two territories. Off the top of my head, Alleyway, which did not see a China release.


My guess is "World" has an implication of release in all three of the largest console video game markets: Japan, US/North America and "Europe".


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Tauwasser wrote:
What is the purpose of this thread? Do you want us to remove the listed games?

Quote:
Game Boy Color:
4 in 1 + 8 in 1 (World) - There's 5 of these. I haven't seen anything about these seeing a release in the US.
Jurassic Boy 2 (World) - I haven't seen anything about this seeing a release in the US.


What exactly is your point about these? Are you implying the region shouldn't be "World", because these games haven't seen a US release? The ROMs are the same for the two territories the games were released in, Taiwan and Europe, and hence are "World" releases.
There are many Game Boy games that are marked World but were not released in one or two territories. Off the top of my head, Alleyway, which did not see a China release.


The thread is meant to point out inconsistencies I see in the P/C dat files. Specifically, in the GBC ones you pointed out, you're correct that they were released in Taiwan and Europe, but the P/C dat file has USA listed for it as well. I don't have a problem with it being listed World, but it seems some of the P/C dat files assume that USA is a region for some "World" releases when that's not the case. This thread was me pointing out what looks wrong. I just wanted to post what I saw looked incorrect.


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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2017 02:28 
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nicholaus wrote:
The thread is meant to point out inconsistencies I see in the P/C dat files. Specifically, in the GBC ones you pointed out, you're correct that they were released in Taiwan and Europe, but the P/C dat file has USA listed for it as well. I don't have a problem with it being listed World, but it seems some of the P/C dat files assume that USA is a region for some "World" releases when that's not the case.


Ah, I wasn't aware of the P/C entries that are auto-generated. I see "(EUR PARENT) (USA PARENT) (JPN PARENT)" in the Reg. Parent field. It might well be derived from selecting World region in the drop-down list. Before changing anything tho, I'd like some input if changing this manually will corrupt the DAT creation or if the field is updated regularly from the drop-down selection (if that's what causes it in the first place).


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Awesome. The other issues are mainly just inconsistencies. Jaguar has a few games released from Songbird Productions whereas most of his Lynx stuff isn't listed. I consider them a homebrew since they were founded after the system lifespan, but some may not. GB NBA Jam has a parent of NBA Jam TE when all other consoles list them as separate. SNES DKC Competiton has a parent of DKC when Powerfest 94 has each game separate from their parent. Mainly things like that plus a few regions I question.

Also added Game Gear to the first post.


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I cleaned up the first post and added Atari 2600. There were quite a few Atari 2600 roms incorrect or outdated. The post should now be clear as to what needs to be done. If anyone wants to verify the information I posted so the No-Intro community can have more accurate rom data, that would be appreciated.


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nicholaus wrote:
SNES:
Donkey Kong Country - Competition Cartridge (USA) - This is listed as a clone of Donkey Kong Country. This is a 5 minute timed version of Donkey Kong Country used in the PowerFest 94 competition. Other PowerFest 94 games are listed as separate games. Needs to be separated from its parent.
International Superstar Soccer (USA) - No proof this was released in USA and most sites say it was released in Central America or Mexico instead, like Super Copa, which isn't listed as USA. Needs USA region changed to BRA (or Mexico).
International Superstar Soccer Deluxe (USA) - Same reason as International Superstar Soccer. Needs USA region changed to BRA (or Mexico).
Star Fox - Super Weekend (USA) - This is listed as a clone of Star Fox. This is a 4 minute timed version of Star Fox and has an exclusive bonus level that the original is missing. It was also commercially available through Nintendo Power magazine. Needs to be separated from its parent.


Regarding Super Copa and International Superstar Soccer and International Superstar Soccer Deluxe, the packaging for these games is identical to any game released in the US. To say that they weren't released in the US is pure speculation on the part of collectors. We have no evidence that they were not released in the US, although obviously it would have been in small numbers if it was, given their rarity. For consistency, I would argue they should keep the USA label.

"Star Fox - Super Weekend" is an incorrect title. It should be Super Star Fox Weekend, as per the marketing materials.

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Regarding Super Copa and International Superstar Soccer and International Superstar Soccer Deluxe, the packaging for these games is identical to any game released in the US. To say that they weren't released in the US is pure speculation on the part of collectors. We have no evidence that they were not released in the US, although obviously it would have been in small numbers if it was, given their rarity. For consistency, I would argue they should keep the USA label.


I'm cool either way. I threw out both ISS and ISSD since they were packaged like Super Copa and Super Copa didn't have a USA region, but I'm good with adding the USA region to Super Copa. I just wanted to bring up that they weren't consistent.


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nicholaus wrote:
badinsults wrote:
Regarding Super Copa and International Superstar Soccer and International Superstar Soccer Deluxe, the packaging for these games is identical to any game released in the US. To say that they weren't released in the US is pure speculation on the part of collectors. We have no evidence that they were not released in the US, although obviously it would have been in small numbers if it was, given their rarity. For consistency, I would argue they should keep the USA label.


I'm cool either way. I threw out both ISS and ISSD since they were packaged like Super Copa and Super Copa didn't have a USA region, but I'm good with adding the USA region to Super Copa. I just wanted to bring up that they weren't consistent.


Super Copa does have a US region, though.

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badinsults wrote:
Super Copa does have a US region, though.


Not in the P/C dat file.


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