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Commodore - Amiga

Post by Connie » 06 May 2009 18:47

I didn't know how else to get the code updates and changes to you, so here goes:

I haven't had any time to re-check much and so there are very few name changes. I've suggested/tagged a few games with because I haven't been able to mount the IPF images in WinUAE v1.5.3 - it reports 'boot block checksum error'. Until the dumps can be tested as working by someone else, I figured it would be logical to mark anything that isn't working.

Changes:
0728 - Special Forces (Europe) (1mb) >>> 0728 - Special Forces (Europe) (En,Fr,De) (1mb)
2682 - Ballyhoo (Europe) >>> 2682 - Ballyhoo (Europe)

New:

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game (
	name "2777 - Times of Lore (Europe)"
	description "2777 - Times of Lore (Europe)"
	rom ( name "2777 - Times of Lore (Europe).ipf" size 1049384 crc 3f254dc0 md5 7a6e2c0d0b0e93c14b692f086b3f2dd7 sha1 9ffcca6098326166c66c7dec7b07ac7eff043485 )
)

game (
	name "2792 - Trained Assassin (Europe)"
	description "2792 - Trained Assassin (Europe)"
	rom ( name "2792 - Trained Assassin (Europe).ipf" size 999918 crc a8d90055 md5 00fc1bcf5b1662fe304d9e62a7bbb392 sha1 c47c5010438d24590c326a3f48178f932a54403e )
)

game (
	name "2794 - Bandit Kings of Ancient China (Europe)"
	description "2794 - Bandit Kings of Ancient China (Europe)"
	rom ( name "2794 - Bandit Kings of Ancient China (Europe) (Disk A).ipf" size 1049612 crc 8b54619b md5 1d101129f18b2637a08013a3723c57cd sha1 168314fce5ec81c3dcfdfd5deab7b281652adc2e )
	rom ( name "2794 - Bandit Kings of Ancient China (Europe) (Disk B).ipf" size 1049612 crc 781c1ccc md5 ca1915883863403701219b99465e65d4 sha1 d961e8747e983752a7f5d1751b9e024d052034f1 )
)

game (
	name "2800 - Ultima III - Exodus (USA)"
	description "2800 - Ultima III - Exodus (USA)"
	rom ( name "2800 - Ultima III - Exodus (USA).ipf" size 1049384 crc abc84da7 md5 26f9204f3561a328b7baf7df73614ece sha1 f5fbb63c0c7e2a0dfe90ee9dff95733b106ca37b )
)

game (
	name "2828 - Rings of Medusa II - The Return of Medusa (Germany) (v1.07 C+) (Coverdisk)"
	description "2828 - Rings of Medusa II - The Return of Medusa (Germany) (v1.07 C+) (Coverdisk)"
	rom ( name "2828 - Rings of Medusa II - The Return of Medusa (Germany) (v1.07 C+) (Coverdisk).ipf" size 1049612 crc a1c12022 md5 e13741a280202bb037137b46461d688e sha1 e1b619a64135b165d89d92f6798e7aa80ec20c60 )
)

game (
	name "2868 - Suspect (USA) [b]"
	description "2868 - Suspect (USA) [b]"
	rom ( name "2868 - Suspect (USA) [b].ipf" size 1049612 crc 6b7cdae5 md5 6a0e9ea2829a597521b5406ac90ed6f8 sha1 ce8e0e8b0e62943e2069a7da96eba494a98b340b )
)
It also seems that my old 'source' for new dumps is no longer, so finding new released 'public' dumps may be difficult, or at least make dat updates less frequent.

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by kazumi213 » 06 May 2009 22:37

Thanks Connie.

I hope rygar997 could help with new releases :P The new 6 are the latest ones reported by him here though.

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by Connie » 07 May 2009 14:16

The trouble is knowing the validaty of dumps sourced on the net. I'm not questioning anybody's help and/or submitted dumps, but since SPS don't 'appear' to make public a database containing CRC/hash, then how can we be sure of 'official' SPS IPF dumps/releases? I'm sure that there are people out there knowledgable enough to create some 'fake' IPF's from maybe an ADF. I think this was the case with the PCPP project, and possible what led to it's demise.

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by xuom2 » 07 May 2009 17:48

adedd ( manually :( ) :) thanks! :)

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by Connie » 07 May 2009 19:48

What are everyone's views on adding the available Kickstart ROM dumps? It seems logical to have them in the dat because they are part of the Amiga hardware.

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[BIOS] Commodore - Amiga - A500 + A1000 + A2000, v1.2, r33.192 (256k) [315093-01]
[BIOS] Commodore - Amiga - A1200, v3.0, r39.47 (512k) [391523-01 + 391524-01]
[BIOS] Commodore - Amiga - A4000, v3.0, r39.47 (512k) [391513-02 + 391514-02]
[BIOS] Commodore - Amiga - CDTV + A570 extended ROM v2.30 r37.201 (256k) [391298-01]
Some of these revision numbers are from the beginning of the ROM dump. TOSEC and WinUAE report them as slightly different. :?

I'm not sure on your exact format/layout for all this information though.

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by kazumi213 » 09 May 2009 15:31

Connie wrote:I haven't had any time to re-check much and so there are very few name changes. I've suggested/tagged a few games with because I haven't been able to mount the IPF images in WinUAE v1.5.3 - it reports 'boot block checksum error'. Until the dumps can be tested as working by someone else, I figured it would be logical to mark anything that isn't working.

2682 - Ballyhoo (Europe)
2868 - Suspect (USA)


Both are text-only adventures by Infocom. I randomly chose & checked another one: Bureaucracy (#1493) and same problem: the image is not bootable.

Link to list of all? Amiga text-only Adventures.

I just know the basics for Amiga emulation, but based on screenshots, could these games be apps to be started from Workbench?

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by Connie » 09 May 2009 18:13

You're quite correct. :)

I've always assummed these disk images were stand alone bootable disks. I tested 2682 - Ballyhoo (Europe) & 2868 - Suspect (USA) under A500 emulation with Workbench v1.3 rev34.20 and they can be accessed and run fine from the OS's disk access.

You can scratch the tags from these in the database then. :trumpet:

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by kazumi213 » 09 May 2009 20:30

Ok, thanks Connie.

I think that DoM entry modification interface is not finished for multi-ROM systems (I can edit ROM info, but can't edit archive info).

Regarding addition of Kickstart files to DAT, well it makes perfect sense when considering other systems. I would agree in adding Workbench files too, as they seem to be required as native environment by some entries in current DAT.

The problem is what to add. I can suggest a versatile enough selection to handle DAT contents without cluttering it with all the stuff out there, but I'm in no way an Amiga guru. Using TOSEC naming:

Kickstart files:

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Kickstart v1.2 r33.180 (1986)(Commodore)(A500-A1000-A2000)[!]
Kickstart v1.3 r34.5 (1987)(Commodore)(A500-A1000-A2000-CDTV)[!]
Kickstart v2.04 r37.175 (1991)(Commodore)(A500+)[!]
Kickstart v2.05 r37.299 (1991)(Commodore)(A600)[!]
Kickstart v3.0 r39.106 (1992)(Commodore)(A1200)[!]
Kickstart v3.1 r40.63 (1993)(Commodore)(A500-A600-A2000)[!]
Kickstart v3.1 r40.68 (1993)(Commodore)(A1200)[!]
Workbench files:

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Workbench v1.3 rev 34.20 (1988)(Commodore)(A500-A2000)(GB)(Disk 1 of 2)(Workbench)
Workbench v1.3 rev 34.20 (1988)(Commodore)(A500-A2000)(GB)(Disk 2 of 2)(Extras)
Workbench v1.3.3 rev 34.34 (1990)(Commodore)(A500-A2000)(De)(Disk 1 of 2)(Workbench)
Workbench v1.3.3 rev 34.34 (1990)(Commodore)(A500-A2000)(De)(Disk 2 of 2)(Extras)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1994)(Commodore)(M10)(Disk 1 of 6)(Install)[!]
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1994)(Commodore)(M10)(Disk 2 of 6)(Workbench)[!]
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1994)(Commodore)(M10)(Disk 3 of 6)(Extras)[!]
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1994)(Commodore)(M10)(Disk 4 of 6)(Storage)[!]
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1994)(Commodore)(M10)(Disk 5 of 6)(Locale)[!]
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1994)(Commodore)(M10)(Disk 6 of 6)(Fonts)[!]
Kickstart archives would be single-file. Suggested naming:

[BIOS] Kickstart (USA, Europe) (v1.3 Rev 34.5) (A500,A1000,A2000,CDTV)
|_[BIOS] Kickstart (USA, Europe) (v1.3 Rev 34.5) (A500,A1000,A2000,CDTV).rom

(A500,A1000,A2000,CDTV) would be "Additional" tag.

Workbench archives would be multi-file. Suggested naming:

Workbench (Europe) (v1.3 Rev 34.20) (A500,A2000) (OS)
|_Workbench - Disk 1 of 2 - Workbench (Europe) (v1.3 Rev 34.20) (A500,A2000) (OS).adf
|_Workbench - Disk 2 of 2 - Extras (Europe) (v1.3 Rev 34.20) (A500,A2000) (OS).adf

(A500,A2000) would be "Additional" tag.
(OS) would be "Special" flag.

Featured languages can be normally added after "Country" tag if required.

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by kazumi213 » 09 May 2009 23:53

Connie wrote:The trouble is knowing the validaty of dumps sourced on the net. I'm not questioning anybody's help and/or submitted dumps, but since SPS don't 'appear' to make public a database containing CRC/hash, then how can we be sure of 'official' SPS IPF dumps/releases? I'm sure that there are people out there knowledgable enough to create some 'fake' IPF's from maybe an ADF. I think this was the case with the PCPP project, and possible what led to it's demise.
For some reason I missed this post. Please check the SPS "Software Database (XML)" package here.

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by Connie » 10 May 2009 17:13

I remember downloading that datafiles pack a long time ago. Even today I still can't figure out what to do with any of the files. :(

I think I'm getting too old to understand all these 'new' websorz languages. :hypo:

Re: adding workbench disks.
The trouble with these is that they aren't IPF's and therefore not in the SPS 'preserved' format. I personnally wouldn't like to mix the IPF set with ADF's, etc.

The ROMs would be added as per what is recognised as 'correct' in WinUAE (Amiga console only). The TOSEC set contains some dumps which need to be merged together - hence my post requesting a rommerge tool.
Regarding the naming, I thought the 'system' would have to come first as with

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[BIOS] Nintendo DS
,

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[BIOS] Atari Jaguar
, etc, so -

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[BIOS] Commodore - Amiga 1200 (USA, Europe) (Kickstart v1.3 Rev 34.5)
?
The reason I used a hyphen between is because you use the format "manufacturer - system" in your dat names. Shouldn't this be adopted for the BIOS names too?

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Post by batleth92 » 10 May 2009 17:56

You can generate Clrmamepro dat file with : Simply change at the beginning of the artefacts.xml the href of the xsl with the artefacts-cm.xsl, like this :

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="artefacts-cm.xsl"?>

<artefacts>
  <artefact>
[...]
Open now the artefacts.xml with Firefox (or any other browser understanding xsl stylesheet) and you will get something like this :

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clrmamepro (
name "SPS IPF Images"
description "SPS IPF Images"
category "IPF"
version Releases 1-2900
author "SPS Clear Mame Pro XSLT Transform v1.0"
)

game (
name "1869_1653"
description "1869 (#1653)"
rom ( name 1869_DiskA.ipf size 1049612 crc 2E7951D5 )
rom ( name 1869_DiskB.ipf size 1049612 crc F79D6985 )
rom ( name 1869_DiskC.ipf size 1049612 crc 3DA3BF18 )
rom ( name 1869_DiskD.ipf size 1049612 crc 506BF25A )
)

game (
name "1869-ErlebteGeschichteTeilI_417"
description "1869 - Erlebte Geschichte Teil I (#417)"
rom ( name 1869_DiskA.ipf size 1049612 crc 457ADF28 )
rom ( name 1869_DiskB.ipf size 1049612 crc E7D1A7D0 )
rom ( name 1869_DiskC.ipf size 1049612 crc C9B7A71C )
)
[...]
Select all, copy and paste in notepad, save : You've got a clrmamepro dat file. Voila! :P

Or use artefacts-rc.xsl to get a RomCenter dat.

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by Connie » 10 May 2009 18:45

batleth92 wrote:You can generate Clrmamepro dat file with : Simply change at the beginning of the artefacts.xml the href of the xsl with the artefacts-cm.xsl, like this :
Thanks. Now I get the gist of it.

I often wondered how Solidsnake generated that CM 'miss' fixdat of un-released dumps. :roll:

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Re: Commodore - Amiga

Post by xuom2 » 10 May 2009 19:10

solidsnake is a divine divinity :ninja: :ninja:

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Post by kazumi213 » 10 May 2009 19:53

There is no such a rule stating that [BIOS] titles have to include the system name. System name is used on most cases because there is not a really better alternative. For Amiga, well, that mini-OS stored in a ROM chip was called "Kickstart". IMO using sytem name is not necessary. Note: Floppy-based Kickstart (like for A1000) would not be tagged as [BIOS] according to NI convention.

Suggested Kickstart dumps are recognized by WinUAE 1.6.0 beta 27 as

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KS ROM v1.2 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 33.180 (256k) [315093-01]
KS ROM v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5 (256k) [315093-02]
KS ROM v2.04 (A500+) rev 37.175 (512k) [390979-01]
KS ROM v2.05 (A600) rev 37.299 (512k) [391388-01]
KS ROM v3.0 (A1200) rev 39.106 (512k) [391523-01/391524-01]
KS ROM v3.1 (A500,A600,A2000) rev 40.63 (512k)
KS ROM v3.1 (A1200) rev 40.68 (512k) [391773-01/391774-01]

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Post by Connie » 11 May 2009 00:31

There is no such a rule stating that [BIOS] titles have to include the system name
My suggestion was purely for clarity and better standardisation across all No-Intro dats.
For Amiga, well, that mini-OS stored in a ROM chip was called "Kickstart". IMO using sytem name is not necessary
I still think this is a grey area for naming. Basic Input Ouput System - isn't that all Kickstart is? This is why new revisions existed - to support newer hardware/peripherals, etc, just like a BIOS update.
Note: Floppy-based Kickstart (like for A1000) would not be tagged as [BIOS] according to NI convention.
I don't think all A1000's were floppy Kickstart based and so research on what revisions were/weren't would have to be done.

These are the 'ROM' files that I have managed to find so far:

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KS ROM v1.0 (A1000)(NTSC) (256k)
KS ROM v1.1 (A1000)(NTSC) rev 31.34 (256k)
KS ROM v1.1 (A1000)(PAL) rev 31.34 (256k)
KS ROM v1.2 (A1000) rev 33.166 (256k)
KS ROM v1.2 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 33.180 (256k) [315093-01]
KS ROM v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5 (256k) [315093-02]
KS ROM v2.04 (A500+) rev 37.175 (512k) [390979-01]
KS ROM v2.05 (A600) rev 37.299 (512k) [391388-01]
KS ROM v2.05 (A600HD) rev 37.300 (512k) [391304-01]
KS ROM v2.05 (A600HD) rev 37.350 (512k) [391304-02]
KS ROM v3.0 (A1200) rev 39.106 (512k) [391523-01/391524-01]
KS ROM v3.0 (A4000) rev 39.106 (512k) [391513-02/391514-02]
KS ROM v3.1 (A4000) rev 40.70 (512k)
KS ROM v3.1 (A500,A600,A2000) rev 40.63 (512k)
KS ROM v3.1 (A1200) rev 40.68 (512k) [391773-01/391774-01]
KS ROM v3.1 (A4000) rev 40.68 (512k)
KS ROM v3.1 (A4000T) rev 40.70 (512k) [391657-01/391658-01]
CD32 KS ROM v3.1 rev 40.60 (512k)
CD32 extended ROM rev 40.60 (512k)
CDTV extended ROM v1.00 (256k) [252606-01/252607-01]
CDTV/A570 extended ROM v2.30 (256k) [391298-01]
CDTV extended ROM v2.07 (256k)
A1000 bootstrap ROM (64k) [252179-01/252180-01]
KS ROM v3.1 (A4000)(Cloanto) rev 40.68 (512k)
KS ROM v1.3 (A3000)(SK) rev 34.5 (256k)
A590/A2091 SCSI boot ROM (16k)
KS ROM v1.4 (A3000) rev 36.16 (512k) [390629-02/390630-02]
KS ROM v3.1 (A3000) rev 40.68 (512k)
KS ROM v2.04 (A3000) rev 37.175 (512k) [390629-03/390630-03]

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